threshold pr

threshold proportional representation

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what

threshold pr

why

The current scheme — First Past The Post — tends to magnify differences in national party vote. This gives stronger Commons majorities but doesn't represent the peoples' will i.e. numbers of MPs proportional to the votes for their parties.

Threshol Proportional Representation (TPR) is an idea for how to get proportional represention with these features:
  1. keeps MPs representing their constituency.
  2. Multi-member STV needs at least 4 seats to be merged, and doesn't give minority parties their due.

what

The threshold pr scheme:
  1. has the same candidature and voting system as currently, it's the counting that's different.
  2. a majority (percentage difference between 1st and 2nd places) threshold is decided which must be met to win a seat, on the basis that it shouldn't be possible to win a seat by 1 vote or anything like it; the examples below suggest 20% would be about right.
  3. those that already pass the majority threshold are won outright by their 1st place candidates;
  4. those that don't pass the majority threshold go into the transfer phase:
    1. starting with the seat with the greatest majority not yet won
    2. take the 1st place candidate; work out how many extra votes would be needed to meet the majority threshold
    3. transfer votes from candidates for the same party starting with the seat with the least majority, on the basis that that seat is the least decided about who they want and so will be the least annoyed about having the result affected by this scheme; if the transfer would leave that seat with no candidate with any votes then go on to the next least. The effect of this is to move votes for the major parties away from marginal seats leaving the minority parties to contest them between themselves.
  5. if any seats are left with not enough transferable votes to meet the majority threshold then they are winnable by a simple majorty.
  6. extra rules for specific cases:
    1. 1st place candidates without a party, i.e. independents, can win by a simple majority.
    2. candidates who lose their deposit (fewer than 5% of the votes in the constituency) can't have votes transferred to them nor win by a simple majority in the last phase, but their votes can be transferred to other candidates in the same party.
    3. a voter should be able to say that their vote isn't transferable.

pros

  1. depending on the choice of majority threshold value the proportion of votes to seats won is closer than with simple majority counting.
  2. there is no sense of arbitrariness from the possibility of someone winning by a handful of votes.
  3. all candidates represent a particular seat, unlike most pr schemes which involve lists of extras decided centrally. We don't like it when a candidate doesn't come from their constituency, let alone when they've been parachuted in from Westminster, still less having lists of party hacks to make up the numbers.
  4. the government majority (number of seats more than all non-government seats) is reduced but still, mostly, effective. Other pr schemes can produce wafer-thin majorities leaving a third, possibly extreme, party holding the balance of power.
  5. national but minority parties have a good chance of gaining representation, improving the colourfulness of Parliament and encouraging disaffected voters to turn out.
  6. there is the possibility, in the event of a hung Parliament (no party having a majority), of changing the majority threshold value after the first count so that the government majority is increased to some workable number, thus avoiding the effort and cost of a second election. The Act could say "the majority threshold shall be N% except in the case of a Government majority of fewer than M when the threshold shall be adjusted accordingly" or similar.

cons

  1. the proportion of votes to seats is not perfect. The scheme is a compromise between improving the pr and avoiding the usual problems with pr schemes.
  2. some marginal constituencies will likely end up wth MPs regarded as fringe. It will be up to the minority parties to show they are not fringe nutters.
  3. not everyone's vote will be counted in the constituency they voted in.
  4. it's more complex to think about than simple majority counting, particularly as it is essentially a compromise between competing problems.
  5. if the turn-out improves significantly then it's likely the overall pattern of voting will be changed, to what we don't know.
  6. the election night count can't be completed until all the seats are in. However, good estimates can be made and it might make it less unexciting.

examples

threshold pr
Here are re-runs of the last few UK General Elections with what would have happened under threshold pr with various majority thresholds. In general the higher the threshold the lower the government majority and the more seats go to minority parties, in fact the transition is really smooth. The regional parties tend not to be much affected since their vote is very concentrated geographically.

2005

party votes fptp
seats
tpr @ 10%
seats
tpr @ 15%
seats
tpr @ 20%
seats
tpr @ 25%
seats
tpr @ 30%
seats
Labour
9,552,436
35.2%
355
55.0%
349
54.0%
343
53.1%
338
52.3%
327
50.6%
319
49.4%
majority
64
52
40
30
8
-8
Conservative
8,784,915
32.4%
198
30.7%
204
31.6%
207
32.0%
200
31.0%
194
30.0%
187
28.9%
Liberal Democrats
5,985,454
22.0%
62
9.6%
62
9.6%
63
9.8%
72
11.1%
90
10.4%
101
15.6%
UKIP
605,973
2.2%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
1
0.2%
Scottish Nationalists
412,267
1.5%
6
0.9%
5
0.8%
6
0.9%
7
1.1%
7
1.1%
7
1.1%
Green
283,414
1.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
Democratic Unionists
241,856
0.9%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
Plaid Cymru
174,838
0.6%
3
0.5%
4
0.6%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
4
0.6%
7
1.1%
Sinn Fein
174,530
0.6%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
4
0.6%
SDLP
125,626
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
Ulster Unionists
127,414
0.5%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
2
0.3%
3
0.5%
Independent
122,416
0.5%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Respect
68,094
0.3%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
KHHC
18,739
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Speaker
15,153
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%

2001

party votes fptp
seats
tpr @ 10%
seats
tpr @ 15%
seats
tpr @ 20%
seats
tpr @ 25%
seats
tpr @ 30%
seats
Labour
10,724,953
40.7%
412
62.5%
410
62.2%
406
61.6%
400
60.7%
392
59.5%
383
58.1%
majority
165
161
153
141
125
107
Conservative
8,357,615
31.7%
166
25.2%
166
25.2%
166
25.2%
164
24.9%
161
24.4%
158
24.0%
Liberal Democrats
4,814,321
18.3%
52
7.9%
53
8.0%
57
8.6%
65
9.9%
75
11.4%
88
13.4%
Scottish Nationalists
464,314
1.8%
5
0.8%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
Ulster Unionists
216,839
0.8%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
Plaid Cymru
195,893
0.7%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
5
0.8%
4
0.6%
Democratic Unionists
181,999
0.7%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
5
0.8%
Sinn Fein
175,933
0.7%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
3
0.5%
SDLP
169,865
0.6%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
Alliance Party of NI
28,999
0.1%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
KHHC
28,487
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Speaker
16,053
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%

1997

party votes fptp
seats
tpr @ 10%
seats
tpr @ 15%
seats
tpr @ 20%
seats
tpr @ 25%
seats
tpr @ 30%
seats
Labour
12,653,431
41.7%
385
59.3%
383
59.0%
380
58.6%
376
57.9%
370
57.0%
364
56.1%
majority
121
117
111
103
91
79
Conservative
9,425,095
30.5%
161
24.8%
160
24.7%
156
24.0%
150
23.1%
145
22.3%
141
21.7%
Liberal Democrats
5,165,578
16.7%
44
6.8%
47
7.2%
54
8.3%
63
9.7%
70
10.8%
79
12.2%
Labour (Co-op)
634,550
2.1%
25
3.9%
25
3.9%
24
3.7%
24
3.7%
24
3.7%
23
3.5%
Scottish Nationalists
608,958
2.0%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
6
0.9%
Ulster Unionists
235,145
0.8%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
8
1.2%
8
1.2%
8
1.2%
SDLP
188,609
0.6%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
3
0.5%
Plaid Cymru
160,292
0.5%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
Sinn Fein
125,568
0.4%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
3
0.5%
U Democratic Unionists
84,026
0.3%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Independent
61,996
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Labour (Independent)
46,520
0.2%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
2
0.3%
Conservative (Labour)
24,282
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Speaker
23,969
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Conservative (Independent)
23,570
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Conservative (Independent Conservative)
22,888
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Independent Conservative
20,279
0.1%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
1
0.2%
Labour (Independent Labour)
18,525
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
UKUP
12,817
0.0%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%

1992

party votes fptp
seats
tpr @ 10%
seats
tpr @ 15%
seats
tpr @ 20%
seats
tpr @ 25%
seats
tpr @ 30%
seats
Conservative
14,093,007
41.9%
335
51.5%
328
50.5%
323
49.7%
318
48.9%
309
47.5%
302
46.5%
majority
20
6
-4
-14
-32
-46
Labour
11,560,484
34.4%
271
41.7%
271
41.7%
270
41.6%
268
41.2%
263
40.5%
259
39.8%
Liberal Democrats
6,010,310
17.9%
20
3.1%
26
4.0%
33
5.1%
40
6.2%
53
8.2%
62
9.5%
Scottish Nationalists
629,564
1.9%
3
0.5%
4
0.6%
3
0.5%
4
0.6%
5
0.8%
6
0.9%
Ulster Unionists
271,049
0.8%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
9
1.4%
SDLP
187,012
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
Plaid Cymru
150,032
0.4%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
4
0.6%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
4
0.6%
Democratic Unionists
103,039
0.3%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
3
0.5%
Sinn Fein
78,291
0.2%
0
0.0%
0
0.0%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
Ulster Popular Unionists
19,305
0.1%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%
1
0.2%

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2010.03.13
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2006.09.15
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